[W]hat is it in the ICC site that has led you to argue for your politics here?
In the past, I identified as a left communist. I was active in one of the organizations of the traditional communist left for a number of years at one point in time. I have engaged in most of the activities people here, including BD, have mentioned -- a few of those were quite "massive" and "significant" -- from a "post-1970s" perspective, I suppose.
I still have what Demogorgon calls "a little respect" for the "history of militancy"; those militants still active interest me as individuals. The "far" or "ultra-left" of Marxism interests me in general.
In the spirit of contributing towards a positive and fruitful dialogue for us all, I'd like to start out for once with the things I agree with in Demogorgon's last post.
I like when Demogorgon says, "[O]ur task is not to attempt agitation towards a class that simply isn't ready to launch massive struggles. We don't avoid activity in struggle - as I said above, we participate as much as possible in the struggles that take place - but it is not our main role".
Also, this from Demogorgon:
"At present, the number of revolutionaries the class is creating is very small. Our primary task, therefore, is to attempt to reach those potential revolutionaries before they get swallowed up by the left. This means our intervention must, above all, be political and aimed at political minorities".
This all seems reasonable and are approaches I support. Demogorgon also mentions winning the battle of ideas. If they mean somehow instilling "mass" communist consciousness, I am also interested in this theoretical occurrence and support "approaches" dealing with this as well.
Where I start to disagree with Demogorgon, and the ICC, is here:
"Revolutionaries have a responsibility to organise themselves toward this end, i.e. to build a revolutionary organisation."
There's nothing revolutionary about these "revolutionaries" and their organizations when there isn't a communist revolution. What say you to this?
Demogorgon's post emphasizes very much what they call "tasks". Furthermore, they feel they have the privilege to tell us what "our tasks" are. So I agree with LBird here, this seems misguided and managerial.
As is currently being dicussed by the ICC and it's contacts, one of the biggest problems within the Russian revolution was that there was this chief revolutionary organization full of revolutionaries that more or less ended up ruining the strides the working class had made there. So why the emphasis on them? They don't seem useful, especially without any communist revolution. To have one relegating tasks to "us" (in a period of counterrevolution, no less) seems like a definite setup to repeat history.
Demogorgon states that the ICC's "conception of class struggle is completely opposed to this 'class warrior' vision". But in it's attempts to "pass the torch" and play the role of "revolutionary" archivist, isn't that role fulfilled? Demogorgon says "a far more pressing task" is "preserving and enlarging the corpus of theoretical gains that the working class has acquired over the years." For what reason? Won't "the class" understand so much of what is needed to cease capitalist production in the very moments before these actions? Isn't that how they ever happened in the first place? The Gabon's and Lenin's are mere figureheads; diversions. Are they not?
Won't the working class understand and undertake the whole history of Marxism, including: "the futility of national liberation struggles, the role of the unions, the perils of democracy, the lie of the workers' state, the dangers of revolutionaries trying to 'organise the class'" in the days and weeks and moments before a communist revolution in order for it to simply happen in the first place? So why the "roles" of "revolutionaries" and the "revolutionary organizations" to tell us "our tasks"?
How can you and I and other networks of people help a communist consciousness and viewpoint to spread? Communism is a good idea!
Someone recently told me that all consciousness is essentially the result of desires. I think that is interesting and useful in the context of these discussions.
Why don't people desire communism?