The video to Beyoncé - Run the World (girls), in which the men are riot police, while the women hold red banners and raise their fists, could have been a scenario written by Chris Knight. It's not my cup of tea (the song nor the theory behind it), but perhaps that's better left for a seperate thread.

One of my favourites...

Glad to hear you liked my tune. I haven't been doing much music lately but I'm hoping to get back into recording over the summer.

Anyway here is a link to my myspace( Ihaven't updated/done anything on there for longer than i can remember), unfortunately KT world in chains isn't on there at the moment. I'll change that over the next few days and put it up.

https://myspace.com/jayceemcee/music/songs

Jamal: do you make beats?

cool man

i got an idea for a song thats like a 'sequal' to Commons 'I used to love her' about hip hop speaking to me from beyond the grave.

a old school 90's beat would be perfect for it.

that cool?

More social commentary than revolution but...

Skinnyman - Council Estate of Mind (2004)

https://youtu.be/gz49lnnzJak

I think it may have been used in anarchist Greg Hall's film The Plague (2006) but I haven't seen it, supposed to be good.

Glad you liked them, here's another...

Lowkey - Menace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhi5dBLIlYU

These are the more well known rappers/singers/musicians there is a plethora of 'underground' rappers in Britain that are hardly known of especially outside Britain.

Yeah, seen La Haine good film. I think you can buy Hall's films direct on DVD, they are very low budget. 

One for the Oldies : say it loud I'm grey an' I'm proud

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfJifsjzerI

'Ev'rybody crying justice!'

Just as long as there's business first .....'

{proof of Life from scratcher Nappa in the pipeline}

AS

Band: Third World War

Track: M.I.5's Alive

Track: Working Class Man

Date: 1971

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1C3jCzJ914

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_HENrwhoBE

Of its time, but very angry and raw, and pretty good down and dirty blues/rock to boot!

There's amusing posts all over the place -  it must be post-paper production relief. "You can't beat that Afro-Beat" is funny.

As a kid in London people used to say "you can't nob" something meaning whatever the something was it couldn't be any better, ie you couldn't beat it. My uncle often used to say (back in the late 50's): "you can't nob the Luton Girls Choir"!

geto boys - free - Da Good Da Bad & Da Ugly

https://youtu.be/YNhSlkp7ORw

The Day The World Stopped Working - Jegsy Dodd & The Original Sinners

https://youtu.be/tTUS3DDg89o

Is it online somewhere?

https://watchdocumentary.org/watch/joy-division-video_16b6decf4.html

At 35:36?

It's not the best quality so difficult to read anything.

It's also on You Tube with Italian subtitles for anyone interested. They talk some right bollocks in these kinds of things.

By the way if you want to save a bit on your rental costs, apart from checking You Tube for films and documentaries you can always try searching google "watch _ _ _ _ _" you will often find things you can stream (watch) directly off the net without having to download anything. But, quality can be poor.

Sorry to introduce real music onto this fascinating thread but a fairly new recording of some piano music by Chopin, played by the amazing Benjamin Grosvenor, is earth shattering. 

For years I've regarded Chopin as "candy floss" all brilliant technique, and sound and fury signifying bugger all, but in  Grosvenor's  youthful hands  he becomes  a revolutionary thinker as well. Is Grosvenor a revolutionary and thus  thinking pianist himself?  I think so. The "product" of a semi-detached in Clacton-on-Sea his technical skills have swept all other pianists off the map.  He has restored "dance" to the music of Bach. Long needed this. He has found thought and feeling beneath Chopins's firework displays. And he's only 22 and all over you tube - though I don't know if that means anything or not.  

Ed Sheerans not bad though. 

Hi radical. Do you mean you find what's called "classical" music really really boring, because, if you do, then I'm sorry because not all of it is boring it just isn't easy to listen too on the first few attempts.  Unlike "pop" which is easy to become familiar with on only a few listenings but can quickly become well, over familiar and...boring.   

I have recently had to listen to Grosvenor's  disc of mainly Chopin pieces (which I was prejudiced against to begin with, because of previously failed attempts to "get through" to the happy stage of listening to Chopin)  four times before I began to see, understand, appreciate, the intricate beauties buried inside all the sound, which can initially attack you as just "noise".  I was helped here by Grosvenor's interpretation of the music, because he seemed to find a lot of "depth" in it under all the flamboyancy that most concert pianists seem to think is all that  Chopin's all about. (Was that a product of the counter revolution?)   in fact I think Grosvenor has unearthed the (bourgeois) revolutionary side of Chopin's  creativity and unleashed it on an unsuspecting audience used to flamboyant fireworks alone. Similarly, on another disc called  "Dances" Grosvenor's first track is a partita by Bach (!) in which he finds all the dance elements contained therein and changes instantly the nature of a piece of music usually performed with academic greyness and a dreary severity, from an intellectual exercise back to a contrapuntal dance. 

The problem with "classical" music is that it definitely does not tend to reveal its pleasurable side - of which there are many  different varieties - until after multiple listenings.  But after you achieve break through on one piece  -   for  me this was Beethoven's "Eroica" symphony which I struggled with for weeks - then a door has been opened onto a whole new sparkling universe of sound.  

But isn't the same true of Marx?  You are unlikely to get through to his meanings on one  reading alone,  or even a number.  You have to persevere.  That "the emancipation of the working class is the task of the class itself" doesn't automatically yield up its intricate meaning on a first glance.  It requires a number of "visits". A number of hearings.  The same is true of "classic" novels.  They are not easy at first, but get easier to appreciate with practice. It takes an effort.  But sometimes the effort is worth it.  The revolution will take an effort too. 

Some food is fresher and better prepared than other food.  Some beer, some wine, is better than other beers and wine.  All I meant by "real music" in contrasting Chopin and Grosvenor with Ed  Sheeran  and Bob Dylan is a difference in purpose and intent.

Happy listening radical. You're not a pleb.  

When Jamal writes:

'If we're solely focused on dynamism, Jazz easily rivals Classical music. I prefer Jazz and have explored it significantly more than Classical. Jazz also has the improvisation element. But one thing I've learned about genres is there is a piece of music in each one which you'll absolutely love, even if you don't know it yet. There's no question though that due to what we in "the biz" call the "loudness wars", pop music has become exponentially less dynamic over the past 30 years.'

It highlights some very good points. Regarding Jazz: well .. how long have you got?

Duke Ellington wrote a set of suites pertaining to Shakespeare's plays and was predictably asked by an interviewer: ' So Mr Ellington ... or may I call you Duke? .. would you say these suites are 'Classical' or 'Jazz'?

The Duke replied: ' I believe there are only two types of music: good music ... and the other kind.' How gentlemanly: 'the other kind': more of an aristocrat than many English kings (King John springs to mind) 

So with regard to genres I agree with Jamal (and The Duke) A certain cadence, modal line, rhythm, or even tempo appeals across genres. It resonates regardless of the 'file under hypno-gunge' factor.

There are perhaps corollaries from the point of view of the performer/composer also: constants that only change cosmetically as it were- frustration being one.

Beethoven lived in 'Soundland' but oy vey he had to make a living. For which purpose he accepted a commision to compose a piece for King Ludwig (no relation) of Bavaria's daughter on the event of her sixteenth birthday. During this particular gig the audience of courtiers professed enormous emotional response by drawing hankies from their ruffled sleeves and weeping. At the end Ludwig (composer) slammed the piano lid down and cried 'You understand nothing you fools!' . It is quite probable that he then trashed his dressing room - which occasionally he was wont to do - with possibly more justifiable reason than the band members of Aerosmith.

AS

I was just in the process of asking what it stood for, but then decided to view the video, and a few seconds of the clip were enough to remind me of what it stood for.

I couldn't really understand any of the lyrics, but it seems like they want to fight the cops in the streets. That'll surely not work.

The Toronto police were so nice during Occupy--they even allowed porta-potties to be brought into the park. Of course, that may have had something to do with not wanting people to actually leave the park.

Alf wrote:

All coppers are bastards?

 

Typical anarchist personalisation.