Latin America: A Privileged Playground for American Imperialism

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Hawkeye
Latin America and US Imperialism

The end of the ICC article by Eduardo Smith of 10-12-10 'Latin America, A privileged playground for American imperialism' states 'The future is communism or the destruction of humanity'.  On the website found by searching by 'posadiste', as well as seeing the Posadist IV International statement of May 2011 in English, readers can see their 'Revolucao Socialista' (Brasil) of March 2011 and 'Voz Posadista' (Colombia) of 1st May 2011.  On the latter, J.Posadas is quoted as follows - "El capitalismo es la guerra, el socialismo es la paz".  (Alas I don't speak Portuguese nor Spanish.).

Readers might also consider the LLCO.org YouTube 'A Storm is Coming', which states the LLCO Maoist view of the vast contrast between conditions in The First World and The Third World.  Another Maoist website  'Redsun.org'  has articles on Maoist activity in Peru.

Alf
Posadas

 Posadas could equally have written 'socialism is war' because he was one of the strongest advocates not only of the right of the Soviet 'workers' state' to maintain its nuclear arsenal but also called for pre-emptive nuclear strikes against the west. The Maoists, with their defence of China's 'socialist' imperialism, are in the same reactionary camp. They have nothing whatever to do with socialism or internationalism. 

Hawkeye
Response to Alf re Maoism

Alf, I've noted your remark of June 24, 2011 that 'the Maoists, with their defence of China's 'socialist ' imperialism, are in the same reactionary camp.  They have nothing to do with socialism or internationalism'.

The website  LLCO.ORG  contains some remarkable statements which they claim to be Maoist.  Under their article on 'Socialist Peace and unrest in the First World: the Greek events', there are numerous comments, which extend beyond those only about Greece itself.  Up to July 5, 2011 there have been a number of comments by 'Red Fred' in which I have commented on and questioned comments of others.

I'm not sure that your view that they have 'nothing to do' with socialism or communism is correct, but if anyone wants to spend any time on seeing what they have to say, good luck, and brace yourself !

Crisanto
Maoism-thirdworldism

Hawkeye wrote:

Alf, I've noted your remark of June 24, 2011 that 'the Maoists, with their defence of China's 'socialist ' imperialism, are in the same reactionary camp.  They have nothing to do with socialism or internationalism'.

The website  LLCO.ORG  contains some remarkable statements which they claim to be Maoist.  Under their article on 'Socialist Peace and unrest in the First World: the Greek events', there are numerous comments, which extend beyond those only about Greece itself.  Up to July 5, 2011 there have been a number of comments by 'Red Fred' in which I have commented on and questioned comments of others.

I'm not sure that your view that they have 'nothing to do' with socialism or communism is correct, but if anyone wants to spend any time on seeing what they have to say, good luck, and brace yourself !

I visited LLCO often. I even have a debate with one of them in the Philippines - "Amihan Malaya". Maoism is not part of marxism. More so with maoism-thirdworldism which raise maoism into "4th stage of marxism-leninism". The core ideology of LLCO is that there is no proletariat in the "First World". Hence the proletariat there are "part of the bourgeoisie". In other words, just another faction of the class enemy. Therefore the "white proletariat" is bourgeois, an enemy of the proletariat in the 3rd world. For LLCO, proletarian class resides only in the 3rd world. And for them, the only strategy of "proletarian revolution" is guerilla warfare in the countryside (from simple maoist formula "surround the cities from the countryside into Lin Biao's "universal" formula: surround the 1st world from the 3rd world).

Even Engels (if I'm not mistaken and Lenin) who "fomulate" the term "labor aristocracy" did not consider the proletariat in advance countries as enemy, nor part of the bourgeois class. If I'm not mistaken, Engels and Lenin pointed out that "labor aristocracy" is just a small minority within the proletarian class in advance countries. But LLCO and other maoist-thirdworldists "develop" this "labor aristiocracy theory" encompassing almost whole the working class in the heartlands of capitalism. The only proletariat recognized by these counter-revolutionary groups is the immigrants from the 3rd world.

 

Hawkeye
Re Maoism

Thank you, Internasyonalista, for your comment of July 6, 2011 re Maoism-thirdworldism and the LLCO.  On its website there have been number of comments since my previous ones, per 'Red Fred' aka me, under its articles 'Socialist peace and unrest in the First World: the Greek events'  and 'What is socialism? What is communism?' up to July 7, 2011.  Your criticism of what perhaps might be termed 'exclusionism' and or 'exclusivism' helps for an understanding of what are meant by 'proletarian' and 'proletariat' by the vast majority of Marxists.