Floods in Britain: the social effect of capitalist production

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The discussion that follows was prompted by the article: Floods in Britain: the social effect of capitalist production. The discussion was initiated by Fred.
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Fred
the bourgeoisie has lost it

Alex wrote:
The management of economy and ecology remains in the hands of a ruling class whose vision is generally limited to a fast buck, whose states apply all the arts of deception recommended by Machiavelli, in an atmosphere that dumbs down history and theory. We simply cannot afford to leave such productive power in the hands of this ruling class.
 

So ends this article seemingly about floods but in fact about the whole sordid and disastrous mess that the bourgeoisie has finally made of our beautiful and wonderful planet with its amazing diversity of life forms, but  in the process of being destroyed  for money.  Just for  the profit of a few financial  class weirdies  who continue  to measure their success  in life by how much they've got in the bank, rather than by the satisfaction we know as communists to be gained from furthering humanity's scientific and cultural progress and growth, and by the  fostering of  all life on this planet through the reign of freedom from economic constraint.  In short, we're talking about the class of moronic depressives called the bourgeois.  The bourgeoisie: that  class of dangerous  losers who think only in terms of profit and loss, outdoing their  competitors  through murder, terror and war if necessary and finally  by the forced imposition of their outmoded intelligence and world view on a planet pregnant with repressed  possibilities  and only yearning to escape their clutches before all is lost.

Alex mentions the atmosphere that "dumbs down history and theory" in short the prevailing ideology.  But then what do we expect?  Let's admit it. The bourgeois today doesn't just dumb down everything and everybody,  but is a class that has become dumb and stupid in itself.  All creativity has gone.  Dullness and dumbness rule. The kleptomaniac gangster buried deep in the bourgeois   psyche now rules unchained.  The warring savage is in charge.  Dressed up to the nines and finely coutured like tailors dolls,  our rulers'  appearance, the product of being rich, fed and partially and privately educated belies the snarling depravity beneath, and the constant fear they live in of being seen through, beaten and replaced.  How they hate and fear those they exploit.  How they resent the working class its capacity for love and solidarity. How they must know they're doomed themselves, but cannot escape their fate.  

Once, at the end of the 19th. Century, the bourgeoisie thought the world was its oyster. Think of all the remarkable music, literature, painting and science they produced; the sanitation, health and even schools for those they sucked dry; the atmosphere of hope and progress that permeated their society in Europe and even beyond.  The bourgeoisie were not dumb then, but adventurous and progressive - within their economic constraints.  But look at them now! What a terrifying  scene! It sometimes feels like everything has gone into reverse.  Music, literature and painting are dead. Science exists only as long as it might be profitable.  Civilising progress of benefit to humanity has succumbed instead to a constant inter-necine negativity that stalks the planet as once the Black Death did. In becoming intellectually bankrupt the  bourgeoisie has become itself the new plague. 

 

 

As Alex  said: we can't afford to leave power in the hands of this intellectually bankrupt class any longer.

LBird
Bourgeois Bankruptcy, in all areas

Fred wrote:

Alex wrote:
The management of economy and ecology remains in the hands of a ruling class whose vision is generally limited to a fast buck, whose states apply all the arts of deception recommended by Machiavelli, in an atmosphere that dumbs down history and theory. We simply cannot afford to leave such productive power in the hands of this ruling class.
 

So ends this article seemingly about floods but in fact about the whole sordid and disastrous mess that the bourgeoisie has finally made of our beautiful and wonderful planet with its amazing diversity of life forms, but  in the process of being destroyed  for money.  Just for  the profit of a few financial  class weirdies  who continue  to measure their success  in life by how much they've got in the bank, rather than by the satisfaction we know as communists to be gained from furthering humanity's scientific and cultural progress and growth, and by the  fostering of  all life on this planet through the reign of freedom from economic constraint.  In short, we're talking about the class of moronic depressives called the bourgeois.  The bourgeoisie: that  class of dangerous  losers who think only in terms of profit and loss, outdoing their  competitors  through murder, terror and war if necessary and finally  by the forced imposition of their outmoded intelligence and world view on a planet pregnant with repressed  possibilities  and only yearning to escape their clutches before all is lost.

Alex mentions the atmosphere that "dumbs down history and theory" in short the prevailing ideology.  But then what do we expect?  Let's admit it. The bourgeois today doesn't just dumb down everything and everybody,  but is a class that has become dumb and stupid in itself.  All creativity has gone.  Dullness and dumbness rule. The kleptomaniac gangster buried deep in the bourgeois   psyche now rules unchained.  The warring savage is in charge.  Dressed up to the nines and finely coutured like tailors dolls,  our rulers'  appearance, the product of being rich, fed and partially and privately educated belies the snarling depravity beneath, and the constant fear they live in of being seen through, beaten and replaced.  How they hate and fear those they exploit.  How they resent the working class its capacity for love and solidarity. How they must know they're doomed themselves, but cannot escape their fate.  

Once, at the end of the 19th. Century, the bourgeoisie thought the world was its oyster. Think of all the remarkable music, literature, painting and science they produced; the sanitation, health and even schools for those they sucked dry; the atmosphere of hope and progress that permeated their society in Europe and even beyond.  The bourgeoisie were not dumb then, but adventurous and progressive - within their economic constraints.  But look at them now! What a terrifying  scene! It sometimes feels like everything has gone into reverse.  Music, literature and painting are dead. Science exists only as long as it might be profitable.  Civilising progress of benefit to humanity has succumbed instead to a constant inter-necine negativity that stalks the planet as once the Black Death did. In becoming intellectually bankrupt the  bourgeoisie has become itself the new plague. 

 

As Alex  said: we can't afford to leave power in the hands of this intellectually bankrupt class any longer.

I completely agree with you and Alex, Fred.

The only issue we might disagree on, is the extent of their 'intellectual bankruptcy'.

Their (supposed) 'objective' science, including physics and maths, is also similarly in a cul-de-sac.

The only future for humanity is the taking of democratic control by the proletariat of all areas of production, including our 'scientific knowedge'

baboon
I generally agree with the

I generally agree with the above comments and thought the article necessary and good - and I liked the quotes from Engels that shows that this is an issue for the workers' movement from very early on. It will only worsen with the decomposition of the system. One of the latest examples of the complete contempt of the bourgeoisie for proletarian life has been the poisoning of the mostly working class population of Flint, Michegan's, drinking water supply. This was a deliberate, cost-cutting act involving both Republicans and Democrats at local and state level with the result that "thousands of children have been irreprably damaged" by lead poisoning. The headlines are full of snowstorms but this is the reality of the USA today.

 

Within this framework an issue that needs tackling is the incredible scam to cover up vehicle exhaust poisoning organised by the VW car manufacturer. There's complicity in this cover up from all the major western governments and we can safely assume that it's not limited to VW. Bearing this in mind I think that the article tends to underestimate the effects of pollution on Europe - it's not just a question of polar bears and Asia though undoubtedly both have been badly hit. But if 30,000 people in Britain are dying every year though polluion (with diesel-run nitrous oxide a leading killer), then millions are suffering from respiratory and skin diseases day in, day out. These illnesses caused by capitalism and covered up by the bourgeoisie must be overwhelming the NHS and medical care generally whose job, as capitalist institutions, is to patch people up as best they can and send them back out into the same or worse conditions.

 

If 30,000 people are being killed in the UK by poison (imagine if "terrorists" were doing it) then what is it - a million a year killed in Europe, hundreds of millions of incurable illnesses?