Libya: Popular uprising buried by bourgeois faction fights

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The discussion that follows was prompted by the article: Libya: Popular uprising buried by bourgeois faction fights. The discussion was initiated by d-man.
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There was a little news story about a military coup (by the top) in Qatar against the Emir, which he has been able to prevent. This may be what has happened in Lybia, instead of this talk of popular mass democratic movement from below, which I ironically refer to as really existing self-organisation. Or (/and) if the anti-Gaddafi revolt was really initiated from below, from the start there were anti-black rumors and blacks have been round up, forced to flee or executed, and this was self-organised by the 'popular' revolt from below. Yes, Gaddafi was an ally of the USSR and all the rest of it, but he doesn't eat babies.

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D -man: it might be an idea to carry on this discussion on the thread started by Baboon. It does look as though there were attacks on black workers following the experience with African mercenaries, and in general the 'immigrant' workers have not seen much to identify with in all the nationalist slogans from the 'rebel' camp.  But these facts don't neessarily prove that there was no 'revolt from below'. However, Baboon's thread is useful because it approaches this problem from a more general theoretical starting point, ie are there social revolts against the state which are not specifically working class?

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I like to stay on this thread. There is no experience with African mercenaries, this is the anti-black rumor. There are 1 million black Libyans, so why do you assume they are immigrant workers. The rebels' slogans are anti-semitic (rumors that in state buildings 'esoteric jewish spiritual writings' have been found, etc.) and they wave a monarchist flag (they don't wave the national flag like in Egypt). This is not meant to disprove that the revolt was from below, not at all: it fits perfectly well with an 'anti-capitalist' popular movement.


In the initial days, some of

In the initial days, some of the reports out of LIbya indicated that there were "Italian" or "Eastern European" mercenaries fighting for the regime. However, after that, the media seems to have focused only on there being "African mercenaries." I don't know what to make of that exactly........


It seems the same thing is happening in Bahrain. From the start there have been rumors of Pakistani, Jordan, Indian,Yemeni (all sunni) recruits to the security forces. There was a large protest against naturalization a couple of days ago. And just like in Lybia we see things like this happen:

2 Bangladeshis run over by truck

Two Bangladeshi workers were run over by a truck of Bahrain demonstrators around 8:30pm Bangladesh time on Tuesday.

The dead are Abdul Hannan and Mohammad Ekhlas hailing from Golapganj in Sylhet, said Muhammad Ibrahim, Bangladesh's first secretary (labour) in Bahrain.

The two were waiting to get on a bus at Sitra in the Bahrain capital Manama to return to their house from work around 5:00pm local time.

The truck of the protesters allegedly drove over them, he told The Daily Star from Bahrain where around 1.5 lakh Bangladeshis work.

The bodies were kept at the Sulaimania Hospital in Manama.

The Bahrain government on Tuesday declared a state of emergency and launched a military operation following waves of violent protests by demonstrators demanding political reform.

Meanwhile, Bangladeshis in the Gulf state are concerned at the deteriorating situation, Ibrahim said.

The crisis deepened after attacks on workers of the Indian sub-continent on Sunday. A group of demonstrators attacked some Bangladeshi and Pakistani workers in Manama, leaving about 20 Bangladeshis injured.

A Pakistani national was killed in the attack, said Ibrahim.

Thirteen of the Bangladeshis were released after initial treatment, while seven were admitted to a hospital in Old Manama. Five more were released yesterday.

The conditions of the two others, who are still in the hospital, were improving.

On brining back the Bangladeshis, Ibrahim said the situation is not “that critical”. He hopped the situation will calm down following the military operation.

Meanwhile, the Bahrain Centre for Human Rights (BCHR) condemned the attacks on Asian workers in different parts of Manama.

"The BCHR condemns, unequivocally, the violent targeting or harassment of any segment of Bahraini society," said a statement of BCHR yesterday.