hey, thanks for the link

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In a situation of considerable confusion it was again the French Fraction of the Communist Left (constituted in 1942) which was best able to carry on the political tradition of the Italian Fraction, now dissolved into the PCInt. Having initially thought that the strikes in Italy announced a change in the historic course, they soon understood that the bourgeoisie had learned the lessons of 1917 and was well-prepared to prevent any re-run of the revolution at the end of the Second World War. The terror bombing of German cities, Churchill’s policy of “letting the Italians stew in their own juice” in 1943 – halting the advance of the allied armies from the south of Italy to allow the Nazis to crush the class movement in the north – expressed the ruthless determination of the bourgeoisie to wipe out the least sign of resistance to its rule in the potentially dangerous closing phase of the war. 

super pleased to finally have worked out the quote function hah.

is really intetesting, and the fact that kautsky thought revolution impossible during imperialist war really quite shocking,

i should probably admit to having claimed to (entirely non militant) friends of mine, that i think we're in a kind of post imperialist world now. did i claim it here? i don't mean that imperialist war is impossible or entirely outmoded for states, but that it can no longer succeed in its goals. for me, that suggests the civil war must be preceeded by dictatorship, by the worker's councils / organs. 

i'm 50:50 on attending btw. it's kinda like agraphobia, my issues - a psychosis residue which is exaberated in changes to setting. anyway...

a good video, and it is well argued (that's what i was saying in my last post) though i suppose if i were to critisize it i'd say that it's too psychological - (at first) more concerned with people's (politician's) motives than the effects of the war, of anti-fascism, or what else could or would have happened. 

it is surprising that our bosses were able to be so clearly sociopathic (i.e. motivated by murder and self preservation, next to nothing else) and anti-working class.

... anyway, when i said imperalist war couldn't "achieve its goals", i was being very vague. i guess i mean dispose of internationalism, rather than class consciousness per se. my claim was just that there are less economic divisions in the internatiol proletariat now...

Im afraid i didnt make it to the meeting.  Man-flu held me to the setter with the lemsips and the Jura watching rugby all day long!  I have watched the video tho and think its rather good. I enjoy this approach of a photo review linked to an analysis of events, its an interesting step for our political discussions but well worthwhile. Thanks MH.  Hope to see something in future about maybe the Labour Party history or workers councils

I noted in the advert for the meeting that the ICC was going to end with comments on the role of revolutionaries and internationalists today.  I was interested to see what it had to say because i whilst i know some of what it has said in the past i have no idea what sort of approach it would take today.  

Would somebody be good enough to explain what was said and discussed on this issue? 

Did you record the discussion?