ICL-FI rejects lockdown and admits its mistake

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International Communist League. Icl-fi.org. Published 2021. Accessed May 12, 2021. https://icl-fi.org/ (several languages) Permalink in english: https://icl-fi.org/english/esp/2021-04-lockdown.html

The ICL's international executive committee formally rejected the lockdown, including on the assumption that the lockdown would be effective in controlling the epidemic (which it is not). It is the first far-left organization to reject the lockdown on principle, because it weakens the proletariat, and undoubtedly the only one in the universe to be able to recognize a mistake, the other organizations doing of course “no error” (principle of infallibility: when the political line of the party changes, it is only because “the conditions have changed”).

In short, the ICL-FI is doing its mea culpa.

Either way, only very ignorant people can still support the lockdown, when its official promoters no longer even believe it. Look at the odious Ferguson, who broke the lockdown to visit his girlfriend: none of his doomsday predictions came true! Some countries have not confined, the villains, and there have not been “hundreds of thousands of deaths” in those countries. There is NO difference in the course of epidemics between regions or countries of the world that have contained and those that have not.

Sources:

‘Professor Lockdown’ Modeler Resigns in Disgrace

De Larochelambert Q, Marc A, Antero J, Le Bourg E, Toussaint J-F. Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins of Adaptation. Frontiers in Public Health. 2020;8. doi:10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339

‌Savaris RF, Pumi G, Dalzochio J, Kunst R. Stay-at-home policy is a case of exception fallacy: an internet-based ecological study. Scientific Reports. 2021;11(1). doi:10.1038/s41598-021-84092-1

Down with the simulators! Down with idealistic philosophy! Fergusonism is only an avatar of philosophical idealism, and I would even say solipsism, which is lost in paranoid predictions and seduced itself in simulations, unrelated to reality.

Make way for materialism! Make way for the comparison of facts and observables! No to simulation!

Communist
Interesting

Interesting to start to see a few leftist groups going that way. A group of Trotskyists called RCIT have also taken an anti-lockdown position and have heard of Anarchists in Canada organising against curfew.

Tagore2
It's good. Here is an article

It's good. Here is an article of this organisation about lockdown: RCIT Greetings to Socialist May Day Rally in Buenos Aires.

I propose to make the list of all the communist organizations which condemn the lockdown, in order to discuss with them. I have already written to the ICL-FI, but they have not yet answered me.

From discussion comes intelligence.

Communist
Wouldn't get your hopes up

Tagore2 wrote:

International Communist League. Icl-fi.org. Published 2021. Accessed May 12, 2021. https://icl-fi.org/ (several languages) Permalink in english: https://icl-fi.org/english/esp/2021-04-lockdown.html

The ICL's international executive committee formally rejected the lockdown, including on the assumption that the lockdown would be effective in controlling the epidemic (which it is not). It is the first far-left organization to reject the lockdown on principle, because it weakens the proletariat, and undoubtedly the only one in the universe to be able to recognize a mistake, the other organizations doing of course “no error” (principle of infallibility: when the political line of the party changes, it is only because “the conditions have changed”).

In short, the ICL-FI is doing its mea culpa.

Either way, only very ignorant people can still support the lockdown, when its official promoters no longer even believe it. Look at the odious Ferguson, who broke the lockdown to visit his girlfriend: none of his doomsday predictions came true! Some countries have not confined, the villains, and there have not been “hundreds of thousands of deaths” in those countries. There is NO difference in the course of epidemics between regions or countries of the world that have contained and those that have not.

Sources:

‘Professor Lockdown’ Modeler Resigns in Disgrace

De Larochelambert Q, Marc A, Antero J, Le Bourg E, Toussaint J-F. Covid-19 Mortality: A Matter of Vulnerability Among Nations Facing Limited Margins of Adaptation. Frontiers in Public Health. 2020;8. doi:10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339

‌Savaris RF, Pumi G, Dalzochio J, Kunst R. Stay-at-home policy is a case of exception fallacy: an internet-based ecological study. Scientific Reports. 2021;11(1). doi:10.1038/s41598-021-84092-1

Down with the simulators! Down with idealistic philosophy! Fergusonism is only an avatar of philosophical idealism, and I would even say solipsism, which is lost in paranoid predictions and seduced itself in simulations, unrelated to reality.

Make way for materialism! Make way for the comparison of facts and observables! No to simulation!

This article (the original ICL one) does also state 'While Marxists support certain state-­enforced public health measures beneficial to the working class, such as mandatory vaccinations,''

The ICC, who are much more reticent in opposing lockdown - I couldn't see them talking about mandatory vaccinations in such a blase fashion

They've (ICL) some cheek to declare mandatory vaccinations to be the 'marxist' position

Communist
The list

I agree your idea of trying to host such a conversation is a good one and would be interested to hear how you get on

Tagore2
I write to RCIT.

I write to RCIT.

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To think that the Communists could agree on everything is grossly illusory, and this objective is unnecessary and even harmful. We must not seek an intellectual union, but a class union, based on economic and social criteria.

This is why I have claimed elsewhere that the selection of comrades should be based on economic and social criteria, such as patrimony and standard of living, measured objectively. A true communist, favored by luck or fortune, will see no harm in collectivising the excess of his patrimony and his standard of living for the proletarian victory.

The party's class homogeneity is everything, ideological homogeneity materially follows from it. A theoretical error will be corrected if the class composition of the party is proletarian. Intellectuals are not excluded from the party, but are selected by their proletarian patrimony and standard of living.

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Communist, please search for communist opposition to lockdown. For the list. Then we write to them to create a forum of the communists against the lockdown. We need to open the discussion on the lockdown idiocy and the health dictatorship! Who still supports the sanitary capitalist dictatorship? Everyone must be able to recognize their mistakes in order to move forward!

Tagore2
icl-fi responded. I suggested

icl-fi responded. I suggested that they contact RCIT to make a joint statement on the lockdown, to start the discussion among communists internationally. To be continued...

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